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Post by chadocaster on Jun 26, 2011 10:57:38 GMT -5
I have replaced the lock nut, the hinges and the hinge bolts and my Spyder still goes flat 10-15 Cent on all six strings over the course of a few tunes. What else can the issue be?
I am using Ernie Ball 11's and four springs. The strings are stretched to beat hell and are about a month old. Are 11's just too much for the HM? Could it be the saddles? They look fine, but I am not an expert. I don't dive the hell out of the trem by any stretch. As a matter of fact, I didn't even put the arm on Friday and I was still going flat.
One last question: Do I have to remove the strings to adjust the hinge bolts, or can I turn them under tension?
Any and all help is appreciated!
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Post by monsta on Jun 26, 2011 19:12:11 GMT -5
hmmm strange. logically the following are the only ways i can think of for the tuning to change in a locked floating system;
1. string stretch
2. string slip at the lock nut
3. string slip at the lock bridge saddles
4. movement of the locked saddles themselves (they are ajustable for intonation so can move)
5. tension change on the springs
need to eliminate these. i think 1 or 2 is the most likely cause.
also, i think you can adjust the spring clamp while the strings are on. try to do it incrementally and evenly on both screws.
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Post by The Guitar on Jun 26, 2011 21:51:16 GMT -5
a stabilizer will stop that. used to have one on my squier that sported a floyd. i have noticed on my spyder, that'll it'll slip out of tune if i dive or pull from the resting postition. like if i dive, i'll pull back just a tad and its a-ok. if i pull back, i'll tap it down a little and its a-ok.
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Post by monsta on Jun 26, 2011 22:22:06 GMT -5
a stabilizer will stop that. used to have one on my squier that sported a floyd. i have noticed on my spyder, that'll it'll slip out of tune if i dive or pull from the resting postition. like if i dive, i'll pull back just a tad and its a-ok. if i pull back, i'll tap it down a little and its a-ok. that sort of thing is related to my point 5 "tension change on the springs". a stabilizer may fix this, but i thought it was more for preventing a bridge moving when bending notes, effectively thresholding the force required to move the bridge from the balanced position from 0 to something more than 0 (and more than a string bend / hand resting on bridge / other minor forces). Point is, you shouldn't need a stabiliser to prevent permanent out of tuning on floating system that is working. maybe the problem in this case is too few springs with the spring clamp wound all the way in. try more springs with the spring clamp screwed more out. maybe the pegs the bridge pivots on are rusted, soft, or introducing some friction. stabiliser may sort it out though. those stabilisers I have seen are a cool idea but I have never tried one. |
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Post by chadocaster on Jun 27, 2011 7:36:26 GMT -5
Thanks for all the tips, both of you. I actually switched to .10's last night and that seemed to greatly help the issue. I guess the tension of .11's is just too much for even new springs to compensate for, unless I can find a stouter spring.
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ofrhm
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Post by ofrhm on Jun 29, 2011 2:18:48 GMT -5
I use .14-.70s on my hm's & mine are fine...
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Post by monsta on Jun 29, 2011 18:12:36 GMT -5
I use .14-.70s on my hm's & mine are fine... woah 0.14 to 0.7s! are you playing bass on yours?!  |
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Post by heem6 on Jun 29, 2011 23:04:04 GMT -5
My Spyders are all stiff as hell but stay in tune better than any of my Floyds. The Spyders are like Edge trems in that they will appear to be higher in the rear end when they are set/balanced correctly.
Similar to this picture of an Edge:
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89hm
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Post by 89hm on Aug 7, 2011 17:15:05 GMT -5
It is also possible that the posts have worn grooves in them or the Knife edge on the trem needs shapening.
With your guitar in perfect tune, slightly press down on the bar and gently let off.
Now are you still in tune? or are all the strings pretty much flat?
Now Pull back up on the bar and is the guitar is back in tune?
If the above scenario is what you are seeing, than you most likely have one or both of the issues i mentioned at the top of this post.
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Post by spacerocker on Aug 11, 2011 14:23:33 GMT -5
I use .14-.70s on my hm's & mine are fine... Jesus! - Do you play Bass on it? |
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